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Real School Leaders. Real Solutions. 

Tailored to current and future K-12 education leaders, the Rethink Possible podcast delivers relatable and relevant content from superintendents and other education thought partners. Each 25-minute conversational episode provides solutions to common challenges and opportunities while accommodating the busy lifestyles of today's school leaders.

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Episode 1: Expanding Career & Technical Education in Schools

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In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell connects with Tim Schochenmaier, Superintendent of Central Public Schools, about the importance of Career & Technical Education (CTE) in schools. Tim shares how he and his team reimagined their CTE program to include partnerships with local businesses and hands-on experiences while building awareness with students and businesses through hosting events like Trades Signing Day and forming a Manufacturing Trades Advisory Group.

Episode 2: The Science of Reading Literacy Implementation

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In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell talks with Dr. Stacie Stanley about implementing the reading program in Edina Public Schools. They discuss challenges and successes plus the importance of having a strong vision to create an effective reading ecosystem. Dr. Stanley also shares her experience aligning project benchmarks and the strategic plan while redefining metrics. The conversation digs into developing leaders' capacity for change management, building relationships with external partners, and developing data-driven training for teachers and coaches.

Episode 3: Implementing Engagement

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In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell sits down with Ann-Marie Foucault, Superintendent of St. Michael-Albertville Schools. Ann-Marie shares how she engaged and cultivated relationships with community members to create a supportive coalition for the district. This episode includes her strategies for building trust and communicating effectively with legislators and community stakeholders while stressing the importance of putting students first and finding ways to control the district's narrative.

Episode 4: Effective Instructional Frameworks

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In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell spends time with Dr. Renee Corneille, the Superintendent of Saint Anthony-New Brighton ISD 282. Renee discusses how her district embarked on a three-year process to overhaul their instructional framework. The process was initiated due to a change in state standards, which revealed a gap in the rigor of instruction in the district. Dr. Corneille shares her district's decision to move to a proficiency method of grading in math classes and the change in district departments since then. She also discusses how the decision affected professional development opportunities and offers advice for other superintendents looking to make a similar change.

Episode 5: Rethinking Success Metrics

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In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell speaks with Dr. Rhoda Mhiripiri-Reed, superintendent of Hopkins Public Schools. Rhoda shares her experience reimagining student success metrics in public schools. She explains that the current metrics, which mostly include standardized test scores, have flaws and do not accurately reflect the success of all students. Her district has taken steps to redefine metrics by involving stakeholders - students, parents, and colleges - to identify important traits for graduates and aligning with the concept of competency-based education. She, along with the district leadership team, focused on the goal of making school more relevant, engaging, and meaningful for students. They are currently identifying tools for assessing holistic competencies, such as social-emotional learning, and developing skills-based learning progressions aligned with their graduate traits.

Episode 6: Commitment Day

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This episode of Rethink Possible features a conversation between host Bob McDowell and guest Jeremy Calles, superintendent of Tolleson Union High School District in Arizona. The discussion centers around the upcoming Commitment Day event where students from seven high schools will come together to share their plans for the future after graduation. Calles explains the inspiration behind this event and how it aligns with their strategic planning efforts to ensure all students are college and career-ready. His team started Commitment Day after realizing the potential negative consequences of university acceptance letters. The event helps the district encourage students to plan ahead for their futures as well as a way to build partnerships with external agencies.

Episode 7: Developing & Empowering Principals

For this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell sits down with Dr. Peter Olson-Skog, superintendent of School District 197 in Minnesota, to discuss the importance of developing and empowering principals to improve school outcomes. Peter shares his strategies for working closely with principals and creating a positive culture within the district. He also stresses the importance of understanding a principal's role and building trust to support them as equity-driven instructional leaders who are given the time and resources to focus on what truly makes a difference for students. This process has led to a stronger relationship between district leaders and principals, improved collaboration, and focused professional development opportunities for principals.

Episode 8: Operationalizing Organizational Culture

In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell talks with Christine Tucci Osorio, superintendent of School District 622 in Minnesota, about the importance of empathy in leadership and effective communication within all levels of the organization. She shares her perspective on building trust, fostering a positive workplace culture, seeking feedback, and continuously improving as a leader. Superintendent Osorio discusses how to ensure everyone's voice is valued and the need for leaders to connect with each other to build resiliency. She also emphasizes the importance of staying true to one's own personality and surrounding oneself with diverse thinkers to better understand and address any issues within the culture.

Episode 9: Simultaneously Consolidating Districts & Passing a Referendum

In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell speaks with Dr. Noel Schmidt, the superintendent of Rock Ridge Public Schools, who shares how to focus on the importance of two key strategies in managing change in education: going slow to go fast and finding out what the average person really thinks. Noel highlights how he and his team implemented strategies to uncover the opinions of the majority rather than the negative few. Superintendent Schmidt dives into the process of consolidating two school districts and building new facilities while developing new programs and connecting with the community to strengthen the project-based learning systems.

Episode 10: Cultivating Student Growth Culture

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In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell talks with Dr. Troy Miller, the superintendent for New Richmond School District, about creating a student growth culture. Dr. Miller shares how to first identify priorities with the school board by leveraging data. To then successfully implement a student growth culture requires leaders to be committed to student growth, build excitement, empower teams, and have a clear strategic plan. Building a passionate and motivated team is key to making the shift toward student growth.

Episode 11: Building Community Trust Through Continuity

In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell connects with Dr. Josh Swanson, superintendent of Eden Prairie Schools, to discuss the importance of building community trust through continuity in the context of strategic planning. By involving all stakeholders and having a long-term vision, schools can strengthen trust and ensure they are delivering on their promises. Dr. Swanson describes how Eden Prairie Schools built community trust by maintaining a clear vision and direction while engaging and listening to stakeholders. He also highlights the importance of ongoing communication and key message reinforcement throughout the organization.

Episode 12: Implementing Teacher-Registered Apprentice Programs

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In this episode of Rethink Possible, host Bob McDowell interviews Superintendent Sara Paul of North Branch Area Public Schools and David Gryte, the president of the North Branch  Education Association. They discuss their teacher-registered apprentice program that launched in their district as a partnership between the school district and the teacher's union in collaboration with local colleges. Their program addresses the teacher shortage by providing a pathway for paraprofessional educators and other non-licensed school staff to become licensed teachers. Tied into the district's strategic plan, the union, board, and administration all support this program and work together to ensure sustainability.

Meet Bob McDowell, the host of Rethink Possible

Meet the Host

Dr. Bob McDowell brings the unique perspective he gained through his time as assistant principal, principal, assistant superintendent and superintendent to his role as host of the Rethink Possible podcast. In addition to his K-12 experience, he's taught graduate-level education courses for St. Mary's University and Bethel University as well as advised doctoral students and superintendent licensee candidates. Through this podcast, he helps connect leaders across the country with tried and true solutions for K-12 education.

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